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The Importance Of Sleep

Sleep is an often underrated and neglected basic health need. We often hear people say “sleep is for the weak” or that it is a waste of precious time. 

What we fail to see is that sleep plays a significant role in maintaining health and well-being. Good sleep improves comprehension, focus, and productivity. It improves problem-solving skills and memory performance. These are things that could benefit us, especially when starting a business.

Starting a business can often lead to a lack of sleep. We have a list of things we want and have to do. In our conversation with Alexis Haselberger in Outsource Your Mind, we learned to manage our time. However, when we weigh important, non-urgent, and urgent tasks, how many of us account for sleep? How many of us set schedules for when to sleep?  

We want to be in a premium condition when working on our business, and sleep can help us with that. 

In this episode of GetCoached360, we have Lee Chambers, a Workplace Wellbeing Consultant and Environmental Psychologist. He is also the founder and Functional Life Coach at Essentialise. 

He has seven core fundamentals that he helps businesses with, and that includes sleep optimization. We will be learning about the latest sleep research. On top of that, we will get a sneak peek at morning routines, reflective practice, and rewiring habits and mindset. 

While Lee had a stable childhood, he believes it did not prepare him for life challenges. Like many of us, his transition to adulthood was difficult and left him with mental health challenges. But that was not enough to make a total shift in focus, and he had to go through big change that pushed him to create Essentialise 

Since then, Lee has had a strong desire to help people. As entrepreneurs, we can learn a lot from people who have already been through the journey. Hopefully, through their stories, we can find the right direction to start our own journey. 

Episode Summary 

  • You either learn from mistakes or continue to make the same ones. 
  • Limiting beliefs keep us from learning from our mistakes. Own the opportunities instead of acting like the victim and turn them into valuable life lessons. 
  • Reflective practice allows you to see the bigger picture and realign with your path.
  • Sleep is a biological process of cleansing the brain of toxins 
  • Lack of sleep can lead to bad behaviour, mistakes, conflict, and underperformance, and stifle creativity. 
  • Sleep needs are unique in every human being. Thus, an effective bedtime routine is individualized.  

 

Covered in This Episode 

Early Life and Background 

[1:58] Consequences of a sheltered upbringing 

[3:15] Job loss in the Great Recession 

[4:38] Wisdom in rethinking life 

[5:15] Functional life coach 

[6:18] Unable to Walk for 5 Days 

[10:12] The Importance of Seeing the Big Picture 

[14:22] Every Challenge Is An Opportunity 

Reflective Practice 

[18:58] Step back, look, and realign 

[22:58] Morning routine 

[24:18] Set a digital sunset 

[27:22] Benefits of Getting Good Sleep 

[29:47] Advanced Sleeping Techniques 

[39:12] How to Contact Lee Chambers 

 

Resources 

Extreme Ownership 

Essentialise 

 

Guest Information 

Website: https://leechambers.org/ 

Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/leejohn.chambers 

Twitter: https://twitter.com/essentialise 

Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/essentialisecoach/ 

LinkedInhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/lee-chambers-278a6518a/ 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClTzVmPvXM09HB7uL-gWPag 

Show notes completed by Workman’s Companion

Episode Transcript

Chris Ippolito 1:21 

Hi, Lee. 

 

Lee Chambers 1:23 

Hi, Chris. 

 

Chris Ippolito 1:24 

How are you? 

 

Lee Chambers 1:25 

Well, thank you. 

 

Chris Ippolito 1:26 

Great. Welcome to the “Get Coached Podcast,” glad to have you on. I’d love if we could just dive into your story, this is how I like to start every episode so we can all get more acquainted with you. But do you mind sharing your story as far as your personal journey to get to where you’re at? For those of our audience watching on video, they’ll see in the background that you’ve got a life coaching business. But you’ve got quite the story as far as how you got into that business. Do you mind sharing? 

 

Lee Chambers 1:58 

Oh, certainly. I’m based in Preston, which is in the north of England in the UK. I grew up here, I had a relatively stable upbringing. My parents worked very hard to give us a good level of housing, make sure we were fed and watered. Our basic needs were met. I’m very grateful to them for that. 

 

What happened is I went to university and started the transition moving from being a child to becoming an adult. I moved away and for the first six months I found it quite easy, to be honest. The freedom to do as I wanted and to take control of my life really fueled me on to do quite well at university. Unfortunately the second six months that then reversed, I started to struggle, and have the elements of, “Okay, who am I as a man? How do I identify as an adult? What do I actually want to do beyond education?” I started to think and started to struggle a little bit. I choked in a presentation at university in front of my whole year, which really hit my confidence quite a lot. That led me to have some mental health challenges that led me to isolate myself. 

 

In many ways that’s the reality of having quite a stable childhood. The first time anything went a bit challenging, I didn’t really have the emotional intelligence and tools to deal with it. However, I managed to get myself back into a place where I was stable, happy, finished university, and got myself a graduate job in a national bank working to become a financial advisor. This was unfortunately in 2007. 

 

I got into my grad scheme with 16 other graduates, they intended to keep three of us. I worked incredibly hard doing all the things that you don’t want to do, showing that I was a resilient graduate and I was equipped for the workplace. After six months a number of advisors above us and the advisors above them became redundant due to the credit crunch and I started to worry about my own position. 

 

Fast-forward a week, I was pulled into the office and told that my professional financial advisor qualification was being pulled, I wasn’t going to be able to complete that. That was really challenging to take because I felt, “That’s part of what I’m doing.” A week later I was then made redundant from the job. I completely lost the career, the professional qualification, and found myself at home thinking, “Right, I need to choose a new path.” 

 

That led me on two separate angles, to set up a video game business from my bedroom in my parents’ house and to go work in local government in a job which was slightly less rigorous and allowed me the ability to start developing myself. I continued both the business and working at local government while doing qualifications in performance nutrition, soccer coaching, and strength and conditioning training. That gave me a broad physiological spectrum of abilities to help people, but also, in many ways, to help myself get into a better place with my body. 

 

That took me on a journey to then help unemployed people get back into work, boost their skills, but also boost their confidence so they could go interview well and identify what path they wanted to take. That idea of getting people clarity on the direction started and sewed that seed of life coaching within me, as well as helping them to then move forward and empower them to go back into the workplace. 

 

After doing that job for a while and feeling really fulfilled, I then moved into elite sport for six months using my qualifications in nutrition, coaching, and finding a whole new world of cutting-edge science and ridiculous amounts of money being spent to get people to perform at an elite level for a very short amount of time. That changed my worldview, but it also made me slightly, in some ways, sad that so much money was being spent on a few individuals and could have a massive societal impact. Which, again, led me to have that fire of I want to help more people. 

 

In 2014 I became sick, unfortunately losing the ability to walk over the course of five days. That was a significant shifting point in my life. I really found that a challenging time. My wife was six months pregnant, my son was 18 months old, and I was in a hospital bed unable to shower myself, clean myself properly. That was really, in many ways, the turning point for me understanding my own direction and my own purpose. I took ownership of that disease and started getting back on my feet through rehab, hydrotherapy. 

 

It was a really challenging time. But I had the mindset that when my daughter was born and when she started to walk, I was going to be walking with her, I was going to be playing outside in the garden with my children. That real power of why got me through those dark days, challenging days, having to get up, trying to get myself mobile again. Again, in many ways, the physical therapy that I was offered was absolutely amazing, I cannot fault the NHS in the UK for what they did for me. But I had to take ownership of it myself and really start to drive on and think, “How can I use my experience and my qualifications to not only help myself, but to help other people?” 

 

That real burning desire and direction that I got, I got clarity from sitting there reflecting. I’d been so ungrateful for my mobility before I lost it. I’d been so ungrateful for many things, until you face that challenge and that crisis. I started to grow as a man, as a husband, as a father through that suffering. 

 

I then took that as an incentive to think, “Right, what is my purpose? I’m going to go off and help other people.” Driving that forward, I then did additional qualifications in sleep, started to optimize my life so I could come off my medication. Now in June I’ll be off that medication through lifestyle alone. That led me to think, “Right, okay, I definitely need to find a way to extrapolate this out, help other people.” Because that’s what I want to do, that’s the underlying purpose and theme throughout my life. 

 

That’s led me to today having Essentialise, the life coaching company, and Essentialise, the workplace well-being company. 

 

Chris Ippolito 8:26 

Wow, that’s so crazy. All the conversations I’ve had, there tends to be a very common theme. One of them being, I mentioned this on our pre-interview call which is why I wanted to have you on, it almost feels like people have to go through this trial by fire to really solidify almost, to forge, that’s the better word, to forge what it is that they want to do in life. I love the fact that now, because of what you’ve gone through, you want to share that experience with other people. It’s the same idea with why I started this podcast, was I went through my own trials. How I got through it was having mentorship, or coaching. It was more mentorship, not necessarily coaching. But now that’s why I do the podcast, is to help other people find perhaps a coach or a mentor, or indirectly coach and mentor them, so that we can help them together get through those challenges. 

 

At what point along that journey really got you focused on that personal development? Was it back in postsecondary when you failed in front of your classmates, was it during the banking, or was it a series of these events that finally just kept reinforcing that, “I need to work more on me and invest in myself”? Or was there one particular moment that you shared that really triggered that for you? 

 

Lee Chambers 10:12 

Yeah. Well, it’s interesting because if I look at my journey on a wider scale, that seems to be weaved into everything that I’ve done over the years. But until you sit back and reflect on it, you don’t see those underlying themes and those trends which bind your life together, everything from the jobs you’ve had, to the hobbies, to the choices that you pick in your education, to the friends and people that you surround yourself with. 

 

If I look back, it is a theme throughout my life, but I hadn’t really grasped that until I was unwell and had the time to stop, really stop. I was literally stopped in the hospital bed, I wasn’t moving anywhere. That gave me a lot of time. In some ways people have that time now while we’re facing challenges that are making people slow down a little bit. Bide that time to think, reflect, look for all these experiences, and think, “These jobs I was helping people. This job I was helping people, in this job I was indirectly helping people. What was I doing at university? I was helping people.” 

 

In some ways my experience at university actually numbed me a bit as I struggled to deal with that and that made me put a little bit of a suit of armor on just to try and protect myself from failure and challenge. It wasn’t until I started to dig that a bit deeper that I realized that actually my failures, there were bits in there to be taken. My struggle at university and my failure when I was speaking was due to me not being prepared enough. It’s that simple. But in that initial period, instead of looking back on the failure and trying to take something from it, I hid from the failure, took it personally, attached emotion to it, and thought it was me, thought it represented who I was, someone who couldn’t speak publicly. I had that as a limiting belief for a few years afterwards due to me not going back in and thinking, “You know what? It was my fault at the end of the day. Remove blame and shame, but you weren’t prepared and you know you weren’t prepared.” 

 

Chris Ippolito 12:21 

Yeah. Very true. There’s a lot of moments in life when, if you look back to it and you take an honest look and view of the situation, rather than look at it from the perspective of being a victim, you look and you try and shift it to accountability, “What could I have done differently to have created a different outcome?” Like you said, you realize, “I didn’t prepare. That’s why that happened.” 

 

I think there are so many other steps, even some of the more extreme stuff. Not to say that you developed a condition, an illness, because of your own actions, but it’s almost the exercise being, “Well, what if? What could I have done differently?” It’s more just taking that full accountability versus looking at external forces and saying, “Well, it was that or this and I had zero control.” Because you may actually have had zero control, but taking that power back and having the accountability has been a big shift for me. It sounds like in your story it was the same idea. Because when you were sharing, you were already focused on health, doing a lot of things for yourself to maintain a healthier lifestyle, you even transitioned to helping high-performance athletes with their health and mindset, I think, as well. Probably what you were doing, right? You were helping them with mindset, as well? 

 

Lee Chambers 14:05 

Yeah. 

 

Chris Ippolito 14:06 

Okay. You were doing a lot of work to take care of yourself and still something happened that impacted your health. But that mindset you developed leading up to it is probably what allowed you to get through it, right? 

 

Lee Chambers 14:22 

Yeah. I mean I definitely agree. I see that when I lost the job through redundancy and the training, that made me kick into it, “Right, well, I’m going to need to go train myself, I’m going to need to go build a business for my own career.” I see that that ownership bounce, where something bad happens but you own the opportunity that comes from it, I didn’t really see in some ways. Because quite often we can live with our heads down a bit as we live day to day. There was that point where I was running the business and working a job. That left me without much time to think what I was actually doing, but I knew I was going in a direction that interested me and I wanted to look after myself more. 

 

It could have been easy when I became unwell because it happened over the course of five days, I went from fully independent, fully mobile, playing sports, working in sports, to lying in a hospital bed not being able to look after myself. It’s wrong to suggest that you don’t have thoughts of, “Why me? I’m 29. How bad is this going to be?” That unknown of now knowing where your health is going to go in the future, it’s challenging and it’s difficult to alchemize that, especially at first. 

 

But the more and more I started to think, “Okay, it has happened and we’re all going to go through suffering in our lives. It’s like an ECG, you’re going up and down. Currently I’m down in the pit of the wave, but I’m going to come back up and it’s up to me to make sure that peak is as high as it can be.” Almost that vision in my head of life being like a ripple, up and down, up and down, up and down. “This might be the biggest down in my life, but, jeez, it’s a message that you’ve got to keep going, you’ve got to be resilient.” Yeah, that mindset, that thinking, “Right, I could own this and make it happen.” 

 

You see people in the most difficult crisis situations, they become stronger. As a species, we’re awful when we’re comfortable. When we’re uncomfortable, we become adaptive. When we’re really uncomfortable, we become innovative, creative, and find ways to take ownership and not be a victim, but start to transition towards being a victor and actually looking at opportunities that come from challenge. We start to shift that mindset. 

 

Yeah, in many ways for me I see that throughout my journey, but I wasn’t even that aware of it. I didn’t have the awareness of what I was actually doing until I actually stepped back, started to look at myself in third person more often, and realize that, “Well, this is me,” as a little actor in my own life. In some ways I’m just the story. It’s complex, but it’s really interesting. It really means that for me fulfillment and success is helping other people to become aware of how that works. We’re so interconnected mentally and physically. We’re incredible beings, but we’re only beginning our journey to understand ourselves. 

 

Chris Ippolito 17:53 

Yeah, I love that message. There’s a book, have you read Extreme Ownership, or are you familiar with it? 

 

Lee Chambers 18:01 

Jocko Willink? 

 

Chris Ippolito 18:02 

Yeah. That was a fantastic book that really helped me shift my mindset around that perspective of, okay, there’s going to be things that happen in life. But if I take that perspective of ownership, you pull that power back into your own hands. That was a great book and I highly recommend it. 

 

Something you’ve said a few times is it took time for you to gain that awareness in reflection to all those events that occurred, basically leading all the way up to being in the hospital for five days. Do you have a practice of intentionally taking time and setting it aside to think, to ponder, to reflect? Do you have a practice now of that? 

 

Lee Chambers 18:58 

Yeah. I actually do that every morning. Before I go into other people’s worlds, through e-mail, social media, or even into my family’s worlds, I wake up and have a morning routine where I’m completely integral to me. I’ll wake up, hydrate, and wash my face. Then I’ll go and have some reflective silence or meditation. That allows me to explore myself before any stimuli or inputs come from anywhere else. I also do take one day every month to go and have effectively a think day. I remove myself to a hotel, take some books, just reflect, journal, and start to really channel that, “Okay, you need to separate yourself. This busy cyclical world that you’re in, step away, breathe, and just think.” 

 

That reflective practice is so important. It’s so easy to get on that treadmill of life, we all have to find our direction. Even when you’ve found that direction, you’ve got massive clarity, you gradually start to angle off and tangent away as life pulls you about and the winds blow you. It’s actually important to get yourself back onto direction by stepping back, looking, and thinking, “Right, the bigger picture. Are you heading in the right direction or have you been blowing off the path? Have you decided to take a shortcut that’s taken you back to the bottom of the mountain you were climbing?” It’s starting to look and think, “Okay, we actually need to build that reflective practice into our lives.” 

 

We use reflective practice in so many different disciplines which require you to be supervised and to develop, from coaching, to medical, and especially teaching and education. But that ability to reflect and look at things, look at processes in a cycle. But also look at your own life, the surroundings, your relationships with other people, what you’re looking to achieve. Bring it all together, your dreams, your ambitions, and start to think, “Am I aligned?” Because it’s very easy to fall out of alignment because life isn’t straight, life isn’t always easy, and you do have a lot of responsibilities as an adult in the world to make a difference while staying on your own path. 

 

There are so many people out there who have not even begun that journey to find the path that they’re climbing. I mean sometimes I speak to people and they are working incredibly hard on a path in the opposite direction of where they want to go. The harder they work, the quicker they move away from where they want to go. It’s almost counterproductive and paradoxical. But if you spend that time, it’s like anything, like research, whatever it is, market research for a business or keyword research for a website. If you do the research to see the direction you’re going in the first place, all the work that you then do will accelerate you in the right direction on the right path quicker towards the goal that you’re aiming to get. 

 

It’s just about actually sometimes that preparation reflective time. It sharpens your arrow, it sharpens your compass, it just leads you onto a more optimized journey, and that’s what we’re looking for in life. 

 

Chris Ippolito 22:39 

Yeah, I really like that. The daily routine, what does your routine look like on a daily basis? You mentioned you wake up, wash your face. How long are you thinking, meditating, or whatever practice that you’re actually doing? 

 

Lee Chambers 22:58 

Okay, my typical morning routine is wake up at 6:15. I usually get a good 45 to 50 minutes before the children come and invade the living room. I spend 10 minutes on meditation, reflective silence, and sometimes a bit of prayer. Then I spend 10 minutes listening to some kind of positive audio input, “Get Coached” is quite a good one. 

 

Chris Ippolito 23:29 

Oh, thank you. 

 

Lee Chambers 23:29 

Over the week you get to listen to the whole episode, it’s a really good thing to integrate in there. Then I spend 10 minutes journaling, 10 minutes reading, then 10 minutes stretching or exercising. Those five elements allow me to then go into the day in a real positive frame of mind. If I’m lucky enough that the children are not down by 7:00, I’ll just spend 10 minutes visualizing and doing some interrogative affirmations, as well. That hour, it’s a real power hour. Then I go in, I’ve got my children, I make their breakfast, I spend time with them, I’ll read them some books, give them a hug, get them ready for school. It’s suddenly not as stressful a morning as it once was because I’m in that positive frame, positive mindset, and it gives you real momentum. 

 

Because in the middle of the day you’re working and so many people don’t have that time. But we have the ability to work on our a.m. and our p.m. so much more than the middle of our day. I also have a p.m. routine where I make sure that I have, I effectively call it, a digital sunset. I put all my digital devices away in a specific place an hour before I go to bed so I’m not stimulated by a blue light or triggered by notifications and things taking my mind off. I’ll look for ways to wind down. I avoid those really intense conversations. We’ve already had curfews on anything like caffeine or alcohol and big meals, even though I don’t tend to consume that much because I try to look after myself and be mindful. 

 

Then build that relaxing hour downwards, making sure I’m not taking on a lot of light that stops my melatonin production. Just disconnect. Because it’s so easy to stay connected in this world where you’re constantly being pinged by e-mails. I mean I run two businesses, in some ways you have to make that time, that space for yourself. Otherwise people step into it, your business will invade it. You’ve got to find out where to get a work-life integration that works not only for you personally, but for all the people around you. In a world that we live in that’s increasingly digital, it’s important to have those breaks from that stimulation and those digital devices. In a lot of ways they’re built with psychological hooks to keep you on them, that’s how they make their money, for you to be falling into the app over and over again. 

 

Yeah. I’ll say to my clients, “You’ve got the most control over your a.m. and your p.m.” It’s important to set that sleep environment up because sleep is the fundamental driver of performance and health. We all take it for granted, a bit like breathing. It’s incredibly powerful. But because we just do it automatically every night and fall into bed, we don’t ever think about optimizing it that often. It’s absolutely massive to our health and our performance. 

 

Chris Ippolito 26:31 

Yeah, I’d love to dive into that a little bit more because I agree. Especially right now, for the last seven months, having a newborn. I always found a lot of value in sleep, find a lot more now. But I’d love to ask a couple questions about how to optimize. Actually, let’s be a little bit more specific. What would be the first thing or the first two things you would recommend somebody do to help with optimizing their sleep? Because I know you can go quite deep with this, but what would be those quick wins that somebody could implement to help them with their sleep? 

 

Lee Chambers 27:22 

Yeah. I mean the first one I’d actually say is just aim to get an extra hour. Set a p.m. alarm an hour before you would normally go to bed. I think the second one is actually, it’s quite abstract, but just set a bright line, say to yourself the mantra, What’s more important, entertainment or actualization?” That’s something I use. Really, in many ways, your sleep drives everything and a child who’s under-slept, they generally behave like a nightmare. So does an adult, but no one says, “Oh, he’s had a bad night’s sleep.” I mean I do work in the workplace and sleep causes people to make mistakes, it causes conflict, it causes people to not perform at the level that they can, it stifles their creativity. What it really does in the big scheme of things is causes people to become unwell. If someone falls asleep at the wheel, they cause more damage than a drunk driver because they’ve got no reaction. Not delayed reaction, they’ve got no reaction. 

 

It’s incredibly important. Again, for many people, two things. Set an intention to go to bed and set an alarm. We set alarms to wake up. It’s an invasion of our privacy first thing in the morning. Yeah, in many ways, some of us have to do it because we have defined social wake-up times. Why not set an alarm that reminds you to go to bed and actually do that? It’s so easy to fall into a Netflix continue. You have to get up to turn it off now before it goes on to the next episode. 

 

Yeah, just have that intention and realize that sleep is everything. 

 

Chris Ippolito 29:16 

I like those ones because those are definitely easy things to implement. Now let’s go a little deeper, because I like to hear some of the more advanced and unknown approaches that people can take, or even to the point some would even consider extreme. What are some of those a little bit more, we’ll just use the term, extreme things that people could incorporate to help optimize their sleeping? 

 

Lee Chambers 29:47 

Okay, I mean there’s all sorts of interesting things at the cutting edge. The stats gradually become available to people. Sleep is very individual and you need to experiment because we’re all really bespoke in our sleeping. Naturally experiment with the temperature of the room, then our sleep equipment, such as looking at weighted blankets, our pajamas, what type of pillow. Those things support us while we sleep. We actually spend so many hours of our life in a bedroom, yet we never actually think to optimize that space. You spend all the time decorating the living room, deciding what furniture you’re going to get, and the bedroom is just like, “Yeah, here we go. Store some clothes, there’s a bed.” It’s crazy. 

 

On the cutting edge, technology is coming more into it. I think one of the really big things that’s come out recently is we get effectively a brain cleaning while we sleep. If our body is digesting, it’s not as effective. Glymphatic fluid from our spine is pushed through our brainstem up into our brain and cleans out all the toxins, the tau, and all the byproducts from all the neuro-processes that we do throughout the day. Now if your body is digesting, it takes so much energy that you don’t have the energy to push the fluid through and up, you don’t get that cleaning. What we suggest is that people, if you’re going to eat a big meal, eat it four hours before. On one day a week eat four hours, then don’t eat anything else until you sleep. That will allow you to get a full clean of your brain. 

 

Again, we’re in such early days because that’s only really over the last year been spotted on FMRIs when they’ve been doing experiments to look at other things to do with sleep. Yeah, in so many ways on the cutting edge it’s really interesting because we’ve only really been looking at sleep from a scientific perspective since 1940. Which, when we look at it, is 80 years. The ancient Greeks and Romans were doing surgery, they were doing biology. Sleep is such a young science. There’s 1,000 sleep papers every year, there’s like three a day. I try and catch up on them every week and there’s like 10 new papers a week at least, it’s crazy. 

 

There’s counterarguments about certain different things, but technology will play more and more a part as we start to learn more about chronography. Because we have in-built chronotypes, our circadian rhythms and ultradian rhythms in ourselves beat to a certain cycle. As we start to align with them, I think that’s probably one of the biggest shifts, as well. You look at our DNA, our PFR3 receptors, and actually see what are we designed to do, what times are we designed to sleep. Some people are designed to sleep between 11:00 and 9:00, some people are designed to sleep between 9:00 and 7:00, some people are designed to sleep between 7:00 and 4:00. Some people can actually live on six hours of sleep quite well, some need eight. It’s so individual. But the more we start to look at our genome, the more we’ll be able to see what exactly we need, what works best for us. Our sleep cycles can be slightly condensed or slightly expanded, and it does change as we get older, as well. 

 

As we’re able to get that data, analyze things more, and understand things more, it won’t be long before I’ll be able to give someone a specific sleep schedule based on their DNA, their lifestyle. Yeah, it’s moving away from that, “Here’s some basic sleep hygiene advice,” and we don’t really know how it all works because it’s mysterious. But they want the personalized meal plan for someone based on their preferences, that’s getting closer. The personalized sleep plan. We are gradually garnering the data and the technology to be able to give people bespoke solutions, which is where it’s at. Because at the moment people have to experiment to find exactly what works for them. 

 

Hopefully it won’t be long before science combined with human intelligence and emotional intelligence can actually bring that forward. Because I spent two years taking my nutrition stuff in and out to find what worked for me and having to record it down. I’ve got four journals’ worth of information just on my own nutrition. Hopefully soon we’ll have technology to distill that very quickly rather than having such an extrapolated process. Because I can’t physically do that with my clients, it’s just too onerous. 

 

Chris Ippolito 34:57 

Yeah, it wouldn’t be scalable. I know there are some companies out there already pushing that kind of initiative and that vertical. Viome, are you familiar with Viome? 

 

Lee Chambers 35:12 

Viome? Yeah. The microbiome company, yeah. 

 

Chris Ippolito 35:15 

Yeah. That’s one company. I know there’s a couple of other ones that they’ll send a report back to you with a list of foods that you should eat because they’re superfoods for you. There’s the category of neutral, it’s fine, you can eat it. It’s not good or bad for you, it’s fine. Then they’ll list out the foods that you should avoid. Which is really interesting because there’s obviously certain kinds of foods that, for the most part, we should all be avoiding or minimizing. But they’ll be looking at everything. 

 

The podcast I listen to with a founder, the example he shared was, I think it was, spinach, was the food he was using to illustrate his point. Spinach is generally known as a healthy food, and some, I think, consider it a superfood. But he’s like, “But that’s not necessarily the case for anybody. Because of your microbiome, spinach might actually be toxic for some people and have a very negative effect.” He’s like, “That’s the whole purpose behind testing your gut and your microbiome, is to find out really those kinds of foods that you should be avoiding based on your microbiome and the ones that you should be incorporating because your body wants that kind of thing.” 

 

It will be great when we get to that point where we can do the same thing with sleep, “What’s your body’s optimal temperature to be able to have the best sleep?” Just all aspects of it, how long, what time, just all of it. I very much look forward to when we have that technology. 

 

Lee Chambers 36:58 

Oh, yeah. I mean the thing is we’re all bio-individual. That goes for our microbiome, our gut enzyme makeup, our circadian rhythm. We all beat to a certain rhythm and we’re only just starting to get to that point where we understand that we can map that out. When we mapped the genome back out 30 years ago, we thought, “Yeah, this is it.” Now we realize epigenetics means that expression gets turned on and off. That can be done through genetically and environmentally. Two twins can be completely different because they’ve been exposed to different things in a lifetime. That in itself, 30 years ago we thought, “We’ve done it, we’ve decoded it.” Oh, no, you’ve not. We’re ever so complicated. 

 

Chris Ippolito 37:45 

It’s like an onion, many, many layers. 

 

Lee Chambers 37:48 

Many, many layers. 

 

Chris Ippolito 37:50 

Well, we’ve covered a lot, Lee. It’s been a fun conversation. I like being able to go more into that nerdy space of technology and optimizing health with technology. But one of the questions I love asking all my guests is what’s that one piece of advice you would want to share with the audience to help them out in leveling up wherever they need it most? 

 

Lee Chambers 38:15 

I would definitely say it would be to reflect and look back on your previous mistakes and failures. Put a lab coat on, as if you’re a scientist, and pick them apart. Find the little gems in there, the little insights that you can take forward, and utilize them to not make the same mistake again, or to grow something bigger than you tried to originally. There’s a lot of power in that. 

 

Chris Ippolito 38:45 

Yeah. This is very good advice. You had mentioned it earlier about tracking your nutrition. I did a whole year of that and just the habit of tracking it ended up helping me get to the desired weight goal that I wanted. It was very interesting, the results of it. 

 

If people wanted to learn more about you or connect, what’s the best place for them to reach out to you? 

 

Lee Chambers 39:12 

The best place would be my website, which is leechambers.org. 

 

Chris Ippolito 39:17 

Okay. I’ll make sure that’s in the show notes, as well as all those other channels, like the social platforms that they might be able to reach out to. 

 

It’s been a great conversation, I’m glad I was able to have you on. We had some technical difficulties on our very first intro call, but I’m glad we worked through it and had you on. Yeah, absolute pleasure, looking forward to some future conversations with you, Lee. Especially on the scientific stuff, I like that kind of thing. 

 

Lee Chambers 39:50 

Oh, definitely, Chris. It’s been a privilege. 

 

Chris Ippolito 39:53 

All right. Take care, Lee. 

 

Lee Chambers 39:54 

Thank you, Chris. 

 

Chris Ippolito 39:56 

Bye.